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Ammeter that plugs into cigar lighter socket?
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RickyC
2005-02-21 16:56:26 UTC
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I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?

I don't know if such things exist, or even if they would fulfil my
needs; I just want to keep an eye on my alternator's output for a
while while I'm driving.

Anyone advise?

Thanks...

RickyC
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2005-02-21 17:17:08 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
Unlikely, they work by sensing current flow through a wire, either as part of
it or as a coil around a wire.

Voltmeter yes, so long as the socket isn't voltage regulated.
Andrew Norman
2005-02-21 17:35:58 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
I don't know if such things exist, or even if they would fulfil my
needs; I just want to keep an eye on my alternator's output for a
while while I'm driving.
An ammeter can only measure the current that flows though it. If you
had an ammeter that plugged into the cigar socket it would only
measure the amps that it itself drew.

For an ammeter to measure the amps being draw it would have to be
connected between the alternator and the whole of the rest of the
car's electrical system.

You could plug a voltmeter into the cigar ligther socket however.
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unknown
2005-02-21 17:32:04 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
Err no, because all that you could plug into the cigar lighter socket is
a voltmeter. Plugging in an ammeter is a good way of blowing the
fuse/burning out the ammeter/flattening the battery.

An ammeter must be wired in series so that all the current from the
battery/alternator flows through the ammeter or more accurately through
a shunt which is a component of the ammeter. The ammeter actually
measures the small voltage drop across the shunt.

There are devices that can be plugged into the cigar lighter socket than
claim to show the state of charge. These work by measuring the voltage
across the battery and using that to try to predict the state of charge
or whether the battery is charging or discharging. I don't know how good
they are, they show some pretty coloured lights if that's what makes you
happy.
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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RickyC
2005-02-21 18:55:24 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
Err no, because all that you could plug into the cigar lighter socket is
a voltmeter. Plugging in an ammeter is a good way of blowing the
fuse/burning out the ammeter/flattening the battery.
An ammeter must be wired in series so that all the current from the
battery/alternator flows through the ammeter or more accurately through
a shunt which is a component of the ammeter. The ammeter actually
measures the small voltage drop across the shunt.
There are devices that can be plugged into the cigar lighter socket than
claim to show the state of charge. These work by measuring the voltage
across the battery and using that to try to predict the state of charge
or whether the battery is charging or discharging. I don't know how good
they are, they show some pretty coloured lights if that's what makes you
happy.
Thanks for the replies.. Would a volt meter plugged into the cig
lighter give me any indication of what the alternator is kicking out,
or just the voltage of the battery? (Assuming the socket isn't
voltage-regulated, that is.)

It's the state of the alternator that I want to monitor... the voltage
it is producing, actually, I think would be a good indicator of
whether it's functioning correctly, yes?

If so, I need to revamp my OQ: is there a volt meter available that
plusg into the cig lighter socket?

Or better still, I should probably have asked: What is an easy way to
monitor one's alternator output while driving?

RickyC
David Thornber
2005-02-21 22:46:53 UTC
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Post by RickyC
Or better still, I should probably have asked: What is an easy way to
monitor one's alternator output while driving?
I don't know if they still do it, but Maplin used to do a kit - I ended
up building and fitting one to my mum's Belmont, which regularly
suffered from a flat battery because of the short runs and frequent
starts that it used to do. It was basically a voltmeter, but quite a
sensitive one - IIRC, about a dozen LEDs, giving the voltage in
something like 0.25v steps. It wasn't too tricky to build, provided you
know which way round to hold a soldering iron.

As others have said, an ammeter has to be wired in series - generally
between the battery positive and 'everything else.' An ammeter will
only tell you how rapidly your system is charging or discharging. An
accurate voltmeter will give you a better indication of the charge state
of the system.

And even a voltmeter shouldn't tell you much if the engine is running.
It'll show up a fault (overcharging or no charging) quite quickly, or
let you know that the alternator can't keep up with your 10Kw stereo
from hell, but it won't give you any indication of a full or flat
battery on an otherwise working system. The alternator's job is to do
as much work as is necessary to pull up the car's electrical system to a
certain voltage (which will, in turn, charge the battery.) If the
battery charge is low, the alternator will produce more power (but be
harder for the engine to turn and so use more fuel.) If the battery
doesn't need charging, the alternator will more or less free-wheel.

For that reason, I wired the Maplin voltmeter so that it was always on.
It used bugger all current, and gave you a good idea of the state of
charge when the car had been standing without the engine running for
some time, which is the only time you're likely to get a meaningful
reading.
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David Thornber
Dave Plowman (News)
2005-02-21 22:29:05 UTC
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Post by RickyC
Thanks for the replies.. Would a volt meter plugged into the cig
lighter give me any indication of what the alternator is kicking out,
Yup.
Post by RickyC
or just the voltage of the battery?
That as well, with the engine stopped.
Post by RickyC
(Assuming the socket isn't
voltage-regulated, that is.)
*Very* unlikely.
Post by RickyC
It's the state of the alternator that I want to monitor... the voltage
it is producing, actually, I think would be a good indicator of
whether it's functioning correctly, yes?
In general, yes. However, monitoring the charge voltage under all
conditions requires a bit of interpretation, as it will depend on the load
and the state of the battery charge.
Post by RickyC
If so, I need to revamp my OQ: is there a volt meter available that
plusg into the cig lighter socket?
Not that I've seen. Although it would be very easy to make one. Companies
like RS Components do a small accurate LCD voltmeter that works on just
two wires - and could be mounted on the end of a cigar lighter power take
off plug.
Post by RickyC
Or better still, I should probably have asked: What is an easy way to
monitor one's alternator output while driving?
That's one way. Many older cars had a volt meter which did just this. The
other way - since a traditional ammeter is difficult with today's high
output alternators - is to measure the tiny voltage difference across say
the battery earth terminal to the vehicle ground. This can be made to show
the current flowing in either direction.
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cupra
2005-02-21 18:10:02 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
I don't know if such things exist, or even if they would fulfil my
needs; I just want to keep an eye on my alternator's output for a
while while I'm driving.
Anyone advise?
Thanks...
RickyC
If you can find an appropriate shunt resistor, you could put it in series
with the alternator circuit then run a voltmeter off of that (measuring in
amps).
Dave Plowman (News)
2005-02-21 20:55:59 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
You can only measure volts by this method.
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R L Driver
2005-02-21 23:44:26 UTC
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Post by RickyC
I wondered if it would be feasable (and if anyone supplies) a small
compact ammeter that you can plug straight into the cigar lighter
socket in a car?
I don't know if such things exist, or even if they would fulfil my
needs; I just want to keep an eye on my alternator's output for a
while while I'm driving.
Anyone advise?
Jack Sealey tools ( most Motor Factors, see yellow pages) do an "altenator
monitor" type thing . Plugs in the fag lighter socket. Loads of LED's
measures battery at rest voltage , cranking voltage and running (
charging ) voltage . A useful diagnostic tool .... about a tenner.
steve the grease
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Thanks...
RickyC
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